When David Vitter returns to his US Senate position probably on Tuesday as reported in various news sources, he will be under tremendous scrutiny.
So, will be Louisiana.
Very few of us know what is going through David Vitter’s mind.He has received tremendous encouragement from some of his fellow Republicans.He has received disdain from others and from many Democrats.
But, the real issue before us is the truth and who does he owe this sacred obligation?
Right after the story first broke, David Vitter told us that he sinned.That was right after the Palfrey revelations.Little did we know the Canal Street Madam would be claiming Vitter frequented her place of business, her infamous brothel.Also, only those following the Vitter knew of a possible Wendy Cortez.Her name is now linked with that of our US Senator.
The Times Picayune ran a story that was confusing but did put a human face on a name that has haunted David Vitter as recently as during his Senate race.
Some Republicans and Democrats were challenging him about his relationship with the prostitute Wendy Cortez during the US Senate election.One was republican Vincent Bruno who felt that Vitter’s behavior defied his philosophy of family values.
That issue was below the radar during the Senate race since most news agencies did not pick up the story nor dig deep into those facts
On two separate occasions he was asked about that relationship.
On Friday, the Times Picayune reported, “Confronted during his 2004 Senate race with a question about his relationship with Cortez, Vitter denied the liasions on a radio program.
''I think you know that that allegation is absolutely and completely untrue...I have said that on numerous occasions ... I'll say that in any forum,'' Vitter said during the broadcast on WSMB radio. ''Unfortunately, that's just crass Louisiana politics, now that I am running for the Senate. I have made that clear that it is all completely untrue...And, it's obviously politically motivated.''
Also, on Jeff Crouere’s radio show, this unexpected exchange occurred:
Flaming Liberal: Thank you Jeff for taking my call, always a pleasure to talk to the Congressman. Congressman, since spokesperson for the Republican Party William Bennett has said character counts. I would like to put the same challenge to you that I put to Representative Perkins and he accepted. Would you be willing to sign under the penalty of perjury an affidavit saying you have never had an extramarital affair and you have never known, met or been in the company of one Wendy Cortez.
Jeff Crouere:
Are you finished Flaming Liberal?
Flaming Liberal:
Yes Sir
Jeff Crouere:
Ok sir.
David Vitter:
Flaming Liberal thank you for repeating all these vicious rumors that my political enemies are trying to bandy about and those rumors are absolutely true and they really don’t belong in any political campaign and I’ve stated very clearly that they’re lies, but I’m not going to start jumping through hoops and taking orders from my political enemies who have absolutely no credibility. So, I’ll speak very clearly about that. I have in the past; I’ll continue to do so.
Cut #2
Caller “Tom”
Congressman Vitter, your answer to the Flaming Liberal’s question reminded me of Bush’s refusal to confirm or deny past drug use during the presidential campaign.
My question to you sir is this, would you have any reservations or trepidation about appearing on the people’s station WTIX on the people’s show Ringside with Republican Vincent Bruno as a co-guest to discuss the topic of one Wendy Cortez and if so, why?
Jeff Crouere:
OK, Tom. Congressman, I think you’ve already addressed that.
David Vitter:
Well, I’ll be happy to address that very directly. I’m not going to appear anywhere with Vincent Bruno because he is a thug and a liar. I’m not going to demean myself; I’m not going to demean the debate in the campaign by doing that.
So, either the reporters at the Times Picayune have totally been duped on Friday with their article tracing a relationship between Cortez or on two separate occasions, Vitter deceived us by denying any relationship and casting it all as “politics” and denying the relationship.
So, when David Vitter said that he had sinned, was he talking about Wendy Cortez?Why did he not ever tell us beforehand that he was not telling us the truth about that relationship?
After Vitter got caught with the Palfrey incident, he evoked “God” which in my view was politically smart to defuse those on the religious right.But, he did not know that revelations would be coming out about the Madam and Cortez.
The issue is not a personal one between he and his wife Wendy as he has couched it.He was running for office.He has always attacked other individuals’ ethics.He denied in a public forum where he was trying to get votes that he had a relationship with Cortez.
He owes the people of Louisiana and explanation.He needs to be honest with us, the people that he serves.He should admit or deny whether he had a relationship with Wendy Cortez as charged by various individuals and as written by the Times Picayune.
This is a public issue since he is our US Senator.If he was an individual without a title or government obligations it would be totally different.Then, it would be private.
Over the past few days, there has been a orchestrated effort to rehabilitate Vitter and various Republicans have expressed their support for his return to the office.The idea has been a calculated one to build momentum, therefore credibility.
On the other side, the Louisiana State Democratic Party has launched a recall petition.
In my humble view, both should stop.
David Vitter should tell us the facts about Wendy Cortez and tell us if he lied during his public campaign for US Senate and uphold his moral obligation as a US Senator to be candid with his constituency which pays his salary.
There are some who are afraid that should Vitter resign, Governor Blanco would appoint a Democrat to fill the seat that would be held prior to an election.This entire process must be de-political.Blanco should promise that she will appoint a Republican and there are wonderful choices who would do a tremendous job for the state.
Then, Republicans who are afraid they would lose a seat in the US Senate could look at the facts devoid of politics which play such an important role since the US Senate majority is so close.
As a people in Louisiana, the Republicans have always blamed Democrats for not having the moral compass on issues such as family values.This can be debated.But, what we are doing is allowing a US Senator tell us that he has sinned without telling us for what he has sinned given the most recent revelations which were not even on the public table at the time of the apology.Given his public statements during the election, I believe David Vitter owes Louisiana an explanation more than a short statement couched in God and family privacy. The issue is not private.It should not be political.
Louisiana Republicans should be the first to demand a full explanation and not act out of political demands.They run the risk of being the party of the political convenience instead of the party of the politicallyprincipled.Instead of supporting David Vitter to return to the US Senate, they should be the first to call for a full explanation.If the Republican party is truly based on morality, then it should live it.If not, Louisiana runs the risk of being the state of the new Ted Kennedy.This is not what we need as we recover from Katrina.
Vitter should rethink his return.He owes Louisiana a full, total, undiluted explanation answering questions in a straight forward manner.The apology we received was totally insufficient based upon the current circumstances of revelations.If David Vitter is truly a reformed person who Louisiana can trust, then this is the best way for him to earn back our trust.
This situation requires honesty and openness, not political handlers on both side of the aisle.Vitter could end up being Louisiana’s finest Senators.He has the intelligence and he has the potential strength.Other elected officials have gone from Klansmen to liberals and from the fallen to the redeemed.So can Vitter.But, if he takes the route which he is taking with political email support building upon support without answering the critical question regarding his veracity in public forums during the time of an election on a critical moral issue, he will be viewed by many as weak, conniving, and unworthy of the US Senate.
Yes, there is President Clinton who sinned and has not apologized or fully explained and now he rides the heroes welcome.But, there are many of us who disdain Clinton and consider him to be a charlatan.
Our US Senator can rise above all of that and tell us the truth.After that were to happen, Governor Blanco should promise to appoint a republican chosen by the GOP leaders in the event that Vitter after reading public support decides that he wants to stay in the Senate.Otherwise, Louisiana is going to be significantly harmed by a US Senator that was not really brave enough to tell us the whole truth.We as Louisiana citizens have right to know.We as Louisiana citizens need to know our options as so many of us try desperately to stay in this state known for its good food, interesting people and its corrupt politics.The latter must change now.
Stephen, Keep up the good work in providing this avenue for free expression. Those who don't agree with the opinions of others and can't contain themselves from insults should unsubscribe. As for the issue of David Vitter, I've heard about enough from him. The notion that he is irreplaceable is a spin to make Louisiana think that we will lose a step or two during transition of a new legislator. We're loosing that step or two while he covers his misdeeds. I don't want any explanations or any further details. I've had my fill of his kind. He should step down and Kathleen should appoint the replacement she feels can do the job. OA
Written by OA
on 7/20/2007
I find it rather typical of right wing spin fanatics to turn the completely blatant, bald-faced hypocritical action of Senator Vitter's into yet another attack on Bill Clinton. Those eight years of peace and prosperity must still be rubbing the GOP electorate the wrong way that we again must continue to defend the name of a man whose legacy bettered the lives of all Americans whether some care to admit it or not. If any of you feel morally justified in attacking Mr. Clinton for perjury regarding a personal issue, why are you all so quick to defend Scooter Libby's multi-count perjury regarding the disclosing of the identity of an American CIA operative? And if the Senator felt he had the right to point the finger at Bill Clinton years ago, why does he whine about such scrutiny now? Simply put, we mainstream Americans seek equal justice for all and not spin for all those on the "right" caught in their own shameful hypocrisy. Senator Vitter cast the first stone and, as a result, deserves equal censure for an equally personal indiscretion. Or to use an oft overlooked quote from the Lord's book, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged."
Written by Thomas Mitchell
on 7/18/2007
I too see and condemn the obvious (to all but him) liberal leaning of Mr. Sabludowsky in his reporting on Vitter, but that isn't the story so let's stay focused.
Let's keep it real, guys. No one, including Republicans, is saying that Vitter is innocent. Yeah, he lied about it intially, but even though most people wouldn't do what he did, how many of you would readily admit something like that to your spouse (or anything else, for that matter) if you didn't think you would get caught and to admit it would destroy your marriage? He's a smart guy, and I even think he's a generally moral person. But he's human. So it's not my place to judge him.
Let's also be fair about the comparisons you make. Vitter paid a woman for sex who makes her living that way. Clinton took advantage of a star-struck intern. How many guys would be fired from their jobs if someone found out they had a rendezvous with a hooker last weekend? How many guys would be fired if it was discovered that they took sexual advantage of their 20 year old secretary? The two are not that different relative to their marital fidelity, but they're worlds apart in terms of ethics. And the Vitter "cover-up" was him not admitting to it until he knew he was "busted." Clinton lied under oath.
I still am amazed - flabbergasted, to be honest - at the way the Democratic Party stood by Clinton when all his indisretions became public (not that he wasn't well known for that behavior long before that), but then, it's all about politics. Believe it or not, I've heard more than a few people point to that as a turning point in the public morality of America. Before that, would Paris Hilton or Pamela Anderson have been able to become or remain mainstream celebrities?
I think this is where Mr. Sabludowsky's political bias shows through so vividly, and causes such acrimony to the people in this blog who decry his bias. His bias must be the reason he doesn't see it himself.
At the time, I thought Bob Livingston did the right thing, even though it would have been so great to have him as Speaker of the House. But today is a different day and I don't see the need for Vitter to resign (at least for his particular transgression) any more than any Democrat that has strayed if they are still doing their job well (whether I agree with them or not.) Isn't that what millions of loyal Clintonites screamed when they learned of their hero's sexual creativity with cigars? C'mon guys....
Written by Watching another debate go south.....
on 7/17/2007
Yo Earl.........Does infidelity generate more sin if the service is 'paid for'? What if he paid nothing, would that be an indication his spending policy was more in line with your thinking? Get your mind off toilet seats and your head outa your Ass. After your clean up your own party, you can focus your labor on ours. Now, don't this just make you colon vibrate?
Written by Bobtail
on 7/17/2007
Gotta blame it on 'sin' there Al. Man got weak and, sinned. This is the textbook discription of Sin and the act of covering it up...nothing more, nothing less. Sin, like a bone fracture, is the 'noun' that separates mortal man from GOD. To rid the sin one must confess. Now, on the flip, there is Larry Flynt who is a man who would love to watch this nation (as well as the GOP) crash and burn because this nation was founded on Christian Principles and it is Republicans who represent these principles the most. He despises the word GOD and the Word of GOD. Just gets in his way there Al. Larry also loves the 'gotcha' game and will spend millions to play it. I mean, what can I say. Did he come after Clinton in the same manner? What about Jeffy? Anything there with Flynt. Smells like a political pie throwing to me.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/17/2007
There are various news reports that Sen. Vitter paid upwards of $300 for the services of prostitutes. I think this alone is reason to censure him. How can the voters of Louisiana trust him with their tax money if he is willing to overpay for services. Can you imagine if Vitter were on a Senate committee and an Air Force General said they needed to spend $200 on a toilet seat for an F-15. Vitter would say (to himself) "Well, that's less than I spent on that hooker last night... must be a pretty good deal!" See, we just can't trust Sen. Vitter to give the taxpayers real value for their hard-earned money. Vitter had to know that no one in Louisiana pays more than $150 for a hooker, even in the best neighborhoods of New Orleans.
On the other hand, we have Florida Republican State Representative Bob Allen. Allen was arrested by police in Florida after he approached an undercover cop and offered to give him a BJ for $25. Now here is a congressman who really understands giving good value. Bob Allen should be elected to the US Senate, because he knows the value of a dollar. If some General asks Bob for $200 for a toilet seat, Bob would demand that they go to Home Depot, or maybe even Big Lots and buy a cheap seat for $29.95 -- just like the rest of us do.
Written by Earl Lee
on 7/17/2007
I'm surprised you guys don't make your self sick with all your conservative rhetoric. You guys, just like many of his conservative political counterparts would like to have the world believe that this isn't David Vitters fault? And David Vitter alone. Steve is even trying to persuade us to believe that their is a good explanation for this. Ok, enough of that. Let's give a simple litmus test. 1. If The Honorable David Vitter tells us that when he convened with his clergy he blamed it on Clinton and Larry Flynt and the liberal demos, and his priest bought it, then I'm ok with it. 2. If he told his wife and children that it was Clinton,Flynt and the liberal demos and she bought it, I'm ok. 3. If he returns to the Senate floor in the light of day with America watching and blames it on Clinton, Flynt and the liberal demos, then we should put this thing to rest. But if doesn't, you guys should just suck it up and throw the bum out on his own merit. Stop giving him excuses that he wouldn't even be stupid enough to use. You can't go home to your wife and blame a affair on someone else. It is 100% your own fault. And it is wrong. And more so by the Honorable Senators own standards.
Written by Al
on 7/16/2007
Has anyone investigated the stories about Vitter and diapers? Apparently, this is a well known psychiatric condition. I never heard of it, but it is all over the blogs about him.
Written by
on 7/16/2007
I am joining the chorus of readers who are unsubscribing. Once and for all: The Clinton business was NOT about sex but about perjury, a fact lost on Mr. Livingston that cost this state dearly. Now here's a case that IS about sex; perjury does not even come into the question. Because it's a Republican in the crosshairs this time, it's only to be expected that the media and the Democrats would chime in with their chorus of condemnation and calls for resignation. But I have no desire to take part in the amen corner on this site. David Vitter is a good man and a great senator; we need him, and he deserves our support. Even before this matter, I had become increasingly unhappy with what I've been reading on this site. Very few of the pieces that appear can be considered thoughtful analysis anymore--and I'm tiring of the continued leanings to the left, the increasing pontification, and the smarmy self-righteousness exhibited by Mr. Sabludowsky and many of the other contributors. If all that were not enough, the grammatical errors are numerous and appalling: "between he and his wife," Mr. Sabludowsky? You need either a good editor or a refresher course in English grammar--preferably both.
Written by Diogenes
on 7/16/2007
Cleo Fields told us that he would give us an honorable explanation about what he did with the $20,000 that Edwin The Crook Edwards gave to him. Did you ask him to resign? Eddie Jordan never explained to us why that was not a presecutable offense. Did you ask Jordan to resign? Eddie Jordan was convicted of racial discrimination against white people, which will cost the city millions of dollars. Did you ask him to resign? Eddie Jordan is releasing murderers. Did you ask him to resign? Ted Kennedy let a woman drown in the back seat of his car in Poucha Pond. DID you ask him to resign?
Written by Anonymous
on 7/16/2007
thanks, David.
What am I doing reading this. Thanks, Steve. My next act will be to unsubscribe. I recommend that to everybody else who really cares about Louisiana. This is the type sicko stuff that is more embarrassing than our elected officials behavior. Unsubscribe NOW!
Written by gone
on 7/16/2007
Dear Lefty Steve,
I'm certainly disappointed in what's going on with David Vitter, but why are you calling for a full explanation of what he did? You did'nt do that with Jefferson (list of democrats ad nauseum.....) etc. What's the difference?
He owes me an explanation. I voted for him. So he probably owes you nothing.
Written by miffed
on 7/16/2007
I have something to say, huh,... WHAT!
After you say;
"This situation requires honesty and openness, not political handlers on both side of the aisle"
"Yes, there is President Clinton who sinned and has not apologized or fully explained and now he rides the heroes welcome. But, there are many who disdain Clinton and consider him to be a charlatan"
"Our US Senator can rise above all of that and tell us the truth"
I say; I CAN NO LONGER TAKE YOUR FINE-SOUNDING, EMPTY, PRETENTIOUS WORDS AND WILL UNSUBSCRIBE TO YOUR BAYOU BUZZ.COM!
I'm more upset at me, for reading your column for so long.
GOODBYE
Written by David
on 7/16/2007
The most interesting part of this whole scenario is: Who else is on this list of elibibles? Mr. Flynt has only produced the name of a Republican. Now, one must ask one's self: Since Flynt is a born again Democrat, is this a political statement to not only destroy a politician but, to also give the GOP another 'black eye'? Since the name droping has been selective so far, this might be one scenario to examine. You can bet, the sin gene is not selective. Now, to all you Democrat Hard Liners (and this board is full to the limit), are you gonna throw rocks at the other guys as you have the Vittman? I feel (soon) you will need to find a rock quarry and, load up. Just a gutt feeling.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/16/2007
The Shreveport Times has a very interesting article that quotes Roger Villere, the Chairman of the Louisiana Republican party, ""Louisiana is really in a crisis," Villere said. "It is very unfortunate that this came up at this time.". Also, for those who don't think this ordeal hurts Louisiana, John Hill quotes Ed Renwick, the dean of politics in New Orleans who says, "It's a scandal that may hurt Louisiana more than Vitter, said Renwick. "This is another nail in the coffin of our national reputation. I think it would make it more unlikely we would get more federal funds. http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070715/NEWS01/707150339/1060/NEWS01 Yes, Louisiana is in aa crises and maybe it is time for the Louisiana Republicans to step up to the plate and stop playing politics.
Written by Mygosh
on 7/15/2007
Steve, I don't get it. What do you mean we need a full explanation.? The man is a moral disgrace by his OWN standards and the so called party he plays to.
This below is David Vitter in his own words:
***********In the fall of 1998, David Vitter felt compelled to weigh in on the national debate over the possible impeachment of President Bill Clinton for lying about sex. Vitter was not yet a member of Congress; he was a Republican state representative. And in an October 29, 1998, opinion piece for the New Orleans Times-Picayune, Vitter took issue with a previous article, written by two law professors who had argued that impeachment "is a process of removing a president from office who can no longer effectively govern; it is not about punishment." Given that Clinton was still a capable chief executive, they had maintained, impeachment was not in order.
Vitter, a graduate of Harvard University and Tulane law school and a Rhodes scholar, was aghast at this amoral position. He blasted the law professors for criticizing those congressional Republicans pushing for Clinton's impeachment. Their argument that impeachment is "not primarily about right and wrong or moral fitness to govern," he wrote, was utterly wrongheaded. He continued:
Some current polls may suggest that people are turned off by the whole Clinton mess and don't care -- because the stock market is good, the Clinton spin machine is even better or other reasons. But that doesn't answer the question of whether President Clinton should be impeached and removed from office because he is morally unfit to govern.
The writings of the Founding Fathers are very instructive on this issue. They are not cast in terms of political effectiveness at all but in terms of right and wrong -- moral fitness. Hamilton writes in the Federalists Papers (No. 65) that impeachable offenses are those that "proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust."
In considering impeachment, Vitter asserted, Congress had to judge Clinton on moral terms. Decrying the law professors' failure to see this, Vitter observed, "Is that the level of moral relatively [sic] and vacuousness we have come to?" If no "meaningful action" were to be taken against Clinton, Vitter wrote, "his leadership will only further drain any sense of values left to our political culture."
Strong words. Now that Vitter, who entered the House of Representatives in 1999 after winning a special election to fill the seat of Representative Bob Livingston (who resigned after being caught in an adultery scandal) and who was elected senator in 2004, has admitted he placed a phone call to the so-called DC Madam, his constituents can only wonder if he will hold himself to the same standards he sought to apply to Bill Clinton.
Vitter, who is married with four children, has been a vigorous advocate of family values, championing abstinence-only programs and calling for a ban on gay marriage. In a statement his office rushed out on Monday night--before he could be outed by Hustler magazine--Vitter said he had committed a "serious sin" and claimed that "several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling." I seem to recall that Bill Clinton took a similar stance after he acknowledged his affair with Monica Lewinsky. That, though, did not prevent Vitter from calling for Clinton's forcible removal from office.
Perhaps Vitter ought to revisit the issue of whether the absence of moral fitness is a firing offense for a public official
Let him Resign and I will see it the Louisiana Fire this Guy, sure he should do his Family Justice and resign.**********
What more could an explanation do Steve?
Written by Al
on 7/15/2007
Now i do not know if these stories are true but this how people are looking at David Vitter and Louisiana right now.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/12/93044/6144
The story that David Vitter visited the DC Madam's sex workers wasn't bad enough. There are now rumors that David Vitter visited alot of prostitutes in Louisiana, and oh there also is that gossip that David Vitter payed $300 a shot for the privilige of wearing diapers at the time he was being unfaithful to his wife and a major league hypocrite.
Just type david vitter in diapers and see how many hits come up.
Written by susan
on 7/15/2007
When did Clinton or some liberal try to make a career out of constantly moralizing and finger-pointing? Vitter said "no amnesty for lawbreakers" himself. Vitter said that "protecting marriage" and not allowing gay people to get legally married was more important than anything, even as the levees were failing. Vitter said that Clinton should resign and now news has come out that Vitter himself had denied the earlier allegations of affairs to a group of ministers when he was first running for Congress, thus Vitter is in no way less culpable than Clinton ever was and really even more so given that Vitter went so far as to use a prostitute's services and did not just merely have an affair. If he doesn't resign then it's just "do as I say and not as I do." At least with these Democrats you sort know what you're getting and they're not pretending to be so holier than us. This seems to be becoming a trend in Republicans acting like they're above the law and/or above applying the same standards to themselves that they expect others to follow between the Bush commutation of Libby's sentence and now Vitter. The Democrats weren't trying to be the party of family values but now the GOP certainly has zero claim to that kind of issue if they can't or don't pressure Vitter to resign.
Written by Richard P.
on 7/15/2007
You wrote:
[So Bobtail he is only catholic when it is to his advantage,or does he now support keeping the church out of state and federal politics and buildings.This is basically the way 'the cow eat the cabbage'.]
Can you give more meaning here or is this a case where 'the dog eat your homework'?
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
Well, a Man / or Clinton should resign his office for such a violation but, they seem not to do as we expect. They just stick it out to see what happens. Really makes no difference which political affiliation one belongs to as the sin is not any bigger nor any smaller. Now, Susan, just because you feel the Senator must / should resign is not important to anyone but you. I may agree in part with your analogy but, I, unlike yourself, am a sinner and have fallen short therefore, I can not judge but I can form an opinion......which is what you have done. I must ask, do you hate all Republicans or just the Vittman?
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
So Bobtail he is only catholic when it is to his advantage,or does he now support keeping the church out of state and federal politics and buildings.This is basically the way 'the cow eat the cabbage'.
Written by susan
on 7/15/2007
He is a Catholic and a state leader who has said, A married man like Bill Clinton should resign for cheating on his wife.When the republicans say look at bill Clinton and what he has done,that is blaming others instead of saying,He should stand by His very own words and resign.Now when a state leader who is Catholic and is as high up a Leader, as Vitter points his finger at the evil people of the democrat party and the whore's`s for being bad, he should live be not by only his own standards but at least his churches standards.Do Catholics believe in blaming just whore's`s and not the man that uses them?He is really teaching our kids,to lie and do whatever you want and if you get caught blame someone else.A good con man only sells his lies and he is smart enough not to buy them himself.He must have been lying when he said a man should resign from office for cheating on his wife.His very words not someone else`s.
Written by susan
on 7/15/2007
The difference between the Conservatives who get caught with their pants down and the liberals who get caught with their pants down is clear. The liberals do not elevate themselves on high moral pedestals. So when they get caught, they dont have far to fall. The conservatives, like vitter, elevate themselves so high that when they fall they make a huge thud.
As reported in the Times Pic, Vitter made statements about Clinton and that he should be removed from office for a lack of moral character. Seems to me that Vitter should start practicing what he preaches. This is a definite good time for him to start, since he has proven himself to be incapable of doing so as of yet.
Written by Dan
on 7/15/2007
Susan......can you show me where the Vittman is blaming Democrats and Hos for his infidelity patterns. And, why are you comparing him with Clergy. Why don't you stay within his peer group.......the elect?
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
Very good answer Richard P.Then you add this story out today.
The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles,California reached a settlement agreement Saturday with more than 500 people who allege they were sexually abused by clergy, the main plaintiff's attorney told The Associated Press.This and David Vitter Hiring whore's really shows people how high Catholic Christian morals are.At least the church is paying for their sins Unlike David Vitter who is blaming the evil whore's and democrats, for his very own problems.
Written by Susan
on 7/15/2007
Susan..........in regards to the law and the selling of plesure; it depends on WHERE you engage in the pleasure. By that I mean 'laws' are different from city, state, county, etc. For instance, where I live, it is against the law to sell fireworks in the city but, not in the county. Isn't this just simply amazing? Also, where I live, it is against the law to sell sex but, it goes on all the time however, it is not advertised in the 'YELLOWBOOK'. Also, where I live it is considered unlawful to have oral sex (as this is considered un-natural sex). I say it is perfectly natural and I will argue this in a court of law while holding a Bible and a book on human anatomy. Comprende'? Now, Susan, this is basically the way 'the cow eat the cabbage'.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
The Gambit Weekly had a couple of good columns about the Vitter affair today, one of which made the point that the DC madam is being prosecuted for violating the RICO statute, which involves harsh sentences indeed and is very definitely no trifling matter, and asks whether it's fair or just for her to have to be subject to such an ordail with her enabler Vitter able to just issue a brief and vague statement that while he's sinned, he's done his penance already and made restitution with his wife and creator and then run off and hide, probably hoping to minimize the damage, conduct spin control and launch a comeback. Let's remember, also, that Vitter is the one on record as saying "no amnesty for lawbreakers." Even if the statute of limitations has run out, it's only just that there should still be consequences for Vitter and if he's just trying to duck such consequences now then he's clearly a very, very big hypocrite and one who's brought this on himself.
Written by Richard P.
on 7/15/2007
One thing is for sure. The "escort services" around D.C. are going to take a huge financial hit. Seems that when blackmail doesn't work the lists fly. Too bad we will never get the whole list. Seems with only one now prominent Republican named we are in a "wait and see if this works mode" I am with Livingston on this one. Vitter should stay. If it is OK for Barney Frank to have his gay lover run an "escort service" from his DC apartment, then why should Vitter leave because he used an escort service. If you compare these two senerios, Vitter is guilty of being heterosexual. The more I think about it the more I see political payback from the left. Big Time.
Written by Sharon
on 7/15/2007
Thank you Richard P., Because he is only crying because the very stone he threw, has come back home to the Man who threw it.Of course David Vitter is better than Larry Flynt .Larry Flynt admits what type of man he is,While Vitter points he finger at people like Larry Flynt,but he plays in the same gutter he claims Flynt is in.I do not how it is not breaking the LAW to hire a hooker,when they set up stings and arrest people for hiring a hooker all the time.I am guessing because Vitter, writes the law ,that means he should be above it.But at best ,I want to her how much he respect women and protects them now.
Written by Susan
on 7/15/2007
It is doubtful that the Vittman will ever indulge within the confines of an Escort Service again. Now, he might have a girlfriend or two along the way but, he will never trust another 'hohou'. His sin with sex will take on a brand new force field........if sin as this is in his future. Guaranteed! It is sad that some women feel it necessary to perform such a service and get good Senators in such a tizzy. But, when you boil the pot dry, this is just another case of 'share the pain' or 'no pain, no gain'. Larry Flynt champions this concept / process of belittling as it sells many publications of his raw sewage.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
Great point, Susan. If Vitty-cent Vitter weren't one to be trying to make an entire political career out of casting stones then this is no big deal. The stones are indeed coming home to roost as in "what goes around comes around" and I dare Vitty-cent to continue with his usual moralizing and self-righteousness He really should follow his own advice and leave but if he stays then I suppose it's "do as I say but not as I do."
Written by Richard P.
on 7/15/2007
Well Susan, if the Vittman broke the law then, throw the book at him. However, I don't think he broke any law, degraded any female and it would be real hard to prove he is holding stolen property. All Mr. Vitter did was sin and put his 'mug' into a frame of hypocrisy and put his family smack in the middle of a very embarrassing situation. If you feel it necessary to belittle Vitter with smears and slurs of degradation because he called on an adult service, this is your right. Larry 'the brainstem' Flynt feels just as you do. You're in gooooood company.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
Hardy Senator Vitter did cast the first stone.Now it is bouncing back and he has been, trying to hide from it this past week.
Written by Susan
on 7/15/2007
Senator Vitter should just zip his mouth shut and bite his tongue and let the wind blow; and, if he does that, this matter will soon be history and forgotten. Let whoever has never committed a sin cast the first stone. Pray for Vitter, instead of trashing him.
Sincerely,
Hardy Parkerson, Atty.
Ronald Reagan Democratic Candidate for Governor of LA - 2007
"Let's Party with Hardy!"
Written by Hardy Parkerson
on 7/15/2007
Bobtail , then David Vitter did break the Law because it was not Legal for him to Hire a prostitute.One of the reasons it is not Legal, they say is because this form of life degrades women,another reason is that it is Immoral,to be are be involved with a prostitute.Now just tell me Why David does not have to follow what he says he believes and stands for.Just like when a priest has sex with a boy, it is illegal and wrong,but I guess just like the catholic church with that problem of priest and kids ,it is OK when the Moral Leaders break the Law and abuse the very people they say they will protect.Just say I am sorry and hide the problem is all a Moral leader needs to do,remember he only admitted it when he knew it was going to be made public,2 hours before it was public.He had years to change his stand,but no it is wrong for the women and men of his state but not for him,because he is above the Law.He has not tried to make prostitution Legal because it is immoral to his very own standards.Now at least tell me why he has not opened a state run program to try and give these Ladies another way of life and the chance to make money an honest way in the view of a High Moral person like him.Wonder if he was able to write it off on his taxes as entertainment expense just like he viewed the women as,entertainment only, not as women and maybe someone`s daughter.Wonder if it is Legal to write off your whore's,on taxes.Kinda like claiming your kids,because they are depended on your money.I guess we are just Lucky to have a man ,of such high morals looking after our daughters as they become young women.Maybe gay marriage should be Legal because,you know when men get heated up ,anything can happen and it is just natural for a man to release his needs.
Written by Susan
on 7/15/2007
And, one more thing Susan, I am not saying the Republicans are supporting anything at all. However, being a Republican does not stem the desire for an exciting release. Some men / women are weak when it comes to sex and will buckle at the knees when an exciting, attractive (fine looking) specimen of the female gender wishes to pleasure them for a few bucks. Yep, something just snaps and, then there you are moving in a freenzy toward destruction and political ruination. But, as I have said, it is the involvement of Larry Flynt that places inflammation on my rear extremes. When this Brainstem (LF) enters the picture, all aspects of everything change. There is no guilt or innocence, just inflammation and heartburn......knowwhati'msayin?
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
Susan, my dear, when a sub-lady prostitutes her little self, she is not being used.......she is being paid for a / the delightful service she renders. If this service is not lawful, then she is the one breaking the law. Now, if the law states that both the service provider and the consumer (service reciever) are both breaking the law such as the law reads, then, both can be prosecuted, fined and sentenced. Little one, no one is being used or discriminated against. This is business and a profit is made. Now, with this said, I do not condone the selling of sex. I much more enjoy scandals like Clinton and Monica and the Pizza Pie Parties with the DNA spillovers and the soiling of blue dresses. Oh, the raw love scandals are so much more arousing than Call Girls a go-go....wouldn't you agree?
Written by Bobtail
on 7/15/2007
Bobtail do you really mean David Vitter has the right to use these women and they have no rights at all.Men have no responsibilites to THE women that they use, and maybe risk their wifes health.Your words here{The only people who will come out in support of 'ladies of the night' are other 'ladies of the night'.......and, their Counsel. SORRY!}So your saying the Repulican party now supports using women because they are just whore`s
Written by Susan
on 7/15/2007
Bobtail if all of the men who used this service, could do so without fear of being arrested, then maybe you might be right.If a working man get`s caught with a hooker, he will be arrested and forced to pay fines.But your right about the leaders they are above the Law.Now if they think they are doing nothing wrong ,they should make it Legal and by doing so it would benefit all on a equal base.One it would allow doctors to be sure everyone`s health was being watched out for, and that would help reduce the spread of disease to other partners who do not know a hooker is involved somewhere in their relationship.2ND These Ladies of the evening could pay taxes on all of the money they collect,and in turn that could pay for a lot of things each state and local cities and towns need.3rd it would free up time the police could be using in going after the killers and rapist,it would also free up jail space for the same group instead of putting them back on the street.4th David Vitter would not have broken the Law, and then sits by and watches the woman who helped him go to jail.If you support using and abusing women,support it for all,not just for the men who make the Laws
Written by susan
on 7/14/2007
He is done his own party will ask him to resign because they feel like he can be blackmailed and compromise legislation. So it'll be best for louisiana for him to resign.
Written by anthony
on 7/14/2007
I just got an email from a friend to remind me that Barney Frank survived politically after it was revealed he was living with a gay prostitute who was running an escort service from Franks apartment. Seems that being in the company of a prostitute is only politcal suicide if you are a "straight" Republican. Somehow this does not seem fair.
Written by Sharon
on 7/14/2007
I find it extremely interesting that David Vitter would be the first and "only" so far to be outed. Hmmmm. Just as he lead the defeat of the "old guard" on the Immigration Bill. It is not that I am not disappointed in him but given all the rumors about many of the "old guard" and "escort" services, I find it odd that his is the only name to come out. The Politics of Personal Distruction is alive and well in Larry Flynt ( a dispicable human being) at least against Republicans. If I was a Louisiana voter, I might just take it personal that every time one of your own even gets close to a "powerful" position, a sex scandal comes out. And if these ladies are going to pick and choose who they "out", this becomes just another political game of gotcha. I had hoped for at least a little chance to judge if all sides got the same coverage.
Written by Sharon
on 7/14/2007
Susan...........what we have here is "who broke the law". Now, the person(s) who 'broke' the law are the ones who must pay whatever price comes at them. Few men, married or otherwise, are gonna come out endorsing Escort Agencies. Madams who get into this business know at the onset that all of society will be examining their why-fors. If you think politicians are different from the rest of the social structure, you are in a heavy fog. They are sinners and, sin they will at all sorts of sinful activities. The only people who will come out in support of 'ladies of the night' are other 'ladies of the night'.......and, their Counsel. SORRY!
Written by Bobtail
on 7/14/2007
I wonder why none of you good republicans have said the woman who just supplied what he wanted should go free.No you all think she is evil, for just helping Vitter get his freak on.She must have called up the demons from hell and should go to jail for Helping Vitter break the Law of hiring a prostitute.No we false Christians can not have a prostitute around,because great moral men Like David Vitter tell us how Evil they are.Think hard on how many you will turn away from God when you protect this man ,and YET condemn the woman who just helped him.He has had years to come out and try to Legalize prostitution,but no we can not have those Evil women around out familes.Better to have a Lying pervert looking after your daughters than a admitted whore walking the streets at night.
Great article Stephen Sabludowsky
Written by Susan
on 7/14/2007
Yeah............guess Vittman is taking Jerry Falwells place on Flynt's 'hit parade' and 'bitch list'. If Flynt is kicking somebody, that only makes me like them more and elevates them into outer space on the Bobtail's list of eligibles for my next cook out. FLYNT THE FREAK is the perfect example of DNA gone bad.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/14/2007
David Vitter:
<Flaming Liberal thank you for repeating all these vicious rumors that my political enemies are trying to bandy about and those rumors are absolutely true >
And those rumors are absolutely true? Am I misreading this, or is it an admission.
Written by Stephanie
on 7/14/2007
resign or not, David Vitter goes thru life as being Larry Flynt's bitch.
Written by mark
on 7/14/2007
You know, this is not like me but, after listening to the Madams and their lawyres, I hope the whole lot get off and remain in their positions (who and where-ever they are). This is a scheme in 'I got caught and I will bring down all I possibly can to suffer with me'. Confidence was slapped around here like a racket ball in play. Deception is wall to wall by the Madams and thier mouthpieces. These madams are not only providing escorts, they are likely in the extortion game too. The excuses I heard from their Parasite Attorneys (as to why the Madams must submit the names of thier clients) was really weak and, a rotten, freakin' lie.
Written by Bobtail
on 7/14/2007
I thought your article was interesting, but it's too bad you didn't edit it (or this website--you have another typo just below this box). I almost stopped reading after the second paragraph.
Written by JD Tolar
on 7/14/2007
Patriot,
I am not singling you out. You are the only one I know of that is using all caps all of the time and it is really against bulletin board protocol and hard on the server. That is why I asked. If I were such a liberal or a democrat, I would not be asking for the Governor to appoint a republican, asking for Democrats not to be partisan in this situation or urging Jefferson to resign. So, since I do not have your email, please forward it and you will be removed. Otherwise, please go to the emailer and remove yourself. Again, you are certainly welcome to stay, just please stop using caps. Your call.
Written by Stephen Sabludowsky, Publisher of Bayoubuzz
on 7/14/2007
Steve:
Vitter won't reside
Full explanation--o well, I would much prefer a full explanation as to why we have spent over a half-trillion dollars, the lives of 3,500 Americans and another 50,000 wounded in Iraq. That's a story.
Vitter's effectiveness has been destroyed--that is, as foot soldier for the right wing of the Republican Party. Let it be..
If Vitter were to resign, I bet you a WHOPPER Sandwich at our old hangout at UNO, New Orleans WOULD NOT GET THE VA Hospital.
"All's fair in love and war!"
Ray
Written by Raymond Brady
on 7/14/2007
It's fine to wish and hope for non-partisanship all you want but you can bet the house that the situation been a Democrat involved in some scandal the right wing types would not miss the opportunity to take to their pulpit as they do anyway. That's exactly why this is a scandal. Vitter is the one who's said "no amnesty for lawbreakers," yet Vitter is also the one who had made himself vulnerable to blackmail doing what he did and in fact breaking the law himself while now hiding, missing Senate votes and leaving us all hanging as regards the rest of the story. Moreover, he didn't say anything until a reporter caught him and probably wasn't ever going to say anything strictly on his own without being compelled to say something, especially given how vociferously he had denied the stories before. The Democrats should not try to make political hay, should they? Actually, Vitter is, by himself, doing that quite nicely for them.
Written by Richard P.
on 7/14/2007
steve, you have singled me out. what about the others that use upper caps? this message board is completely out of control! you are a liberal democrat, period. please, remove my name from this biased controlled board, immediately, and do send anything to my website, ever. thank you, and GOD help us! From an American & a true Patriot.
Written by PATRIOT WARRIOR
on 7/14/2007
Patriot Warrior,
YOu have been asked before to please stop "screaming"--stop using caps. We hear you quite in lower case type. Should it continue, Bayoubuzz will be compelled to remove your comments in the future which I do not want to do since they are very good. As far as Jefferson, I have personally urged on two occassions that Bill Jefferson resign. As far as other writers, again, my goal is to de-politicalize a horrible situation which is becoming run by political parties. The issue is not about sex. It is about credibility and trust and in engaging in unlawful behavior. My hope is to stop this extreme political party cross-fires by the extremes, take away the politics and find a way that we can move on without being further embarassed and without our state being further compromised. That is why I believe Governor Blanco should make a deal and promise not to appoint a Democrat should David Vitter decide to step down. Those radio denials are recent vintage during his public run for the Senate position. No, I am not interested in knowing the sordid details about his sex life but he should admit or deny his sexual relationship with Wendy Cortez and reveal other informtion that will likely later come out that will embarass him and the state. I would think the Louisiana Republicans would see a disaster in motion, would see how all of this is compromising their own candidates and their party or family value issues. I would hope the state Democrats would not make political hay out of the scandal. That is the reason for the writing. I thank you all for your comments.
Written by Stephen Sabludowsky, Publisher of Bayoubuzz
on 7/14/2007
Let's see! On one hand, we have politicians claiming the moral highground and therefore hypocrits when proven unfaithful to those standards. On the other hand, we have politicians that never claim to have moral standards when they run for office and therefore can never be called hypocrits when they fail to exhibit any morals, after elected. Boy, I tell you what. It is getting tougher and tougher to pick from the weak.
Written by NAT
on 7/14/2007
I am totally amazed at how many people are interested in other people's sex lives!!!!! You all have no idea what goes on behind Wendy and David Vitter's door! This is absolutely NONE of our business and he does not owe us an explanation! As long as he is voting in the interest of LA (which he has done) then where or who he gets his rocks off is none yo business. As far as him being a hypocrit well of course he is and those of you looking at him to be your moral authority are silly anyway. Look at yourself your pastor or your God leave the politician out of it and get on about the business of recovery!!!
Written by
on 7/14/2007
This was another good article. However, what's the deal with Blanco being obligated to appoint a Republican if Vitter should happen to resign? Blanco gets to appoint the person she wants if things come to that. Moreover, if Jindal or some other Republican were governor you can bet the house that the national GOP would be pressuring him to appoint a Republican, even if it were a Democrat in that seat, and that he would definitely do their bidding. As to whether Vitter should resign, if he has committed a crime then he should do so. Livingston said that his own story was different. Sure, it was. At least, for all we know, Livingston merely carried on an extramarital affair and was not involved in a prostitution ring or soliciting although both were and are the kind of loudmouthed moralizers that deserve contempt given that they've brought these problems on themselves. Clinton, like JFK, had his less-than-spotless personal side but never was the holier-than-thou type like Vitter. However, if Vitter thought that Clinton should have stepped down then Vitter ought to do the same and not be "do as I say not as I do."
Written by Richard P.
on 7/14/2007
SUE - DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT ULTRA-RACIST - EDDIE JORDAN, HE FIRED 63 EXPERIENCED WHITE STAFF WORKERS FROM THE DA'S OFFICE WHEN HE TOOK OVER, AND REPLACED THEM WITH 67 INEXPERIENCED "BLACK" STAFFERS. LOOK WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE OF THIS!!! THAT WASN'T RACIST WAS IT??? NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE IMMUNE FROM DOING SUCH THINGS!!!! PATRIOT WARRIOR.
Written by PATRIOT WARRIOR
on 7/14/2007
STEVE - WILL YOU ALSO DEMAND FULL ACCOUNTABILITY FROM ....WILLIAM "FREEZER BURN" JEFFERSON, BEFORE HE CAN CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THE "DEMOCRATS" OF NEW NIGERIA??? MAN OH MAN, THE INJUSTICE THAT YOU AMERICAN TALIBAN (DEMOCRATS) TRY AND PUSH ON CONSERVATIVES!!! TALK ABOUT DOUBLE-STANDARDS???? PATRIOT WARRIOR.
Written by PATRIOT WARRIOR
on 7/14/2007
I am WAAAAYYYYYYY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT $90,000 IN MARKED FBI BRIBE MONEY HURTING LOUSIANA.........OH, BUT HE'S A DEMOCRAT SO THE NAACP AND NAGIN AND EVERYONE FLOCKS TO DEFEND HIM.
GET THE THEIVES OUT OF LOUISIANA, YOU ARE MISDIRECTING YOUR EFFORT.
USING PROSTITUTES IS NOT CORRUPTION, STEALING, RACKETEERING, EXTORTION, BRIBERY, .........GO AFTER DOLLAR BILL.
Written by David
on 7/14/2007
David Vitter called for President Clinton to resign because of his moral failings, he can hardly be expected to do less.
Then there are still the rumors circling around about the other women not mentioned and the illegitimate children, as well as the diaper service his prostitutes provided.
Vitter needs to come clean.
Written by Gary Denton
on 7/14/2007
If you are going to have Blanco replace Vitter then you need to replace the Mayor for all the racial comments he has made towards white people which I think affects us more..its a chocolate city, I forgive all those who went to the red light district meaning those who did not vote for him are not good people. And What about Blanco ,, her actions or rather slow actions or no actions during the huricane has set women back 100 years. So lets take our pick here, but the truth of the matter is no matter if you replaced all three of them, the next three will be no better. And tomorrow there is going to be someone else head on the chopping block wether its here or another state.How about we due very in depth back ground checks on everyone..we have the time they rally for politics for almost a year before and election ..go through there life records and make sure they are fit to be our leaders. But if you do that my friend we would be without leaders because nobody is perfert and we are all human.
Written by sue
on 7/14/2007
Steve...what else do you want him to ask forgiveness for ?
How much detail would make you happy ? Whs it 69 position or missionary ? You are a SICK prevert,too.
I've got a feeling no matter how many juciy details he told us--you would want more.
I did not vote for Vitter before, but might this time to gut you mercy-less blood thirsty sharks !!
Written by Jim
on 7/14/2007
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Written by
on 7/14/2007
You mention in your article that Clinton sinned - yes, he did. But putting all of his sins and womanizing aside Clinton was impeached for committing the crime of perjury. He LIED under oath as a sitting President of the United States. For that he has never apologized to the people of the United States. Clinton's sexual behavior as disgusting as it was pales in comparison to the crime he committed as our President.
Written by bulldog
on 7/14/2007
Sen. Vitter is yet another example of persons using the 'holier than thou art' mantra (wrapped in the term 'family values') while in reality seeking to be like deacons in a church who really only want the position for personal gain.
There's an old saying that 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones', yet for years the GOP has become a haven for persons masquarading as 'morally correct' individuals whose real purpose is get gain, influence, power and money. The list is becoming too long of former GOP office holders who were not what they claimed to be.
Morals, religious convictions, 'family values, all have too often become 'smoke screens' in political campaigns. Honesy, integrity, and a genuine desire to serve have become lost values.
Vitter needs to stay but he needs to fully confess his past activities that are inconsistent with his professed moral values and he should announce he WILL NOT be seeking re-election to allow persons who have the right reasons for running and the type values that really count to begin seeking the office.
Shame on all who falsely claim moral and religious values only to gain something for themselves. They disgrace all others who truly do possess these values.
So, Vitter should stay but while announcing he won't seek re-election and he should lay open his past and his soul if he truly desires to repent and have forgiveness.
Written by Stog
on 7/14/2007
I don't care who is f***ing who, or how. Maybe it just goes to show you that some wives won't do certain things that commerce will satisfy. In Clinton's case "it was all about sex" so we should ignore it. In Vitter's case " it's all about sex" so we must not ignore it. Y'know what? It's all about politics, and I say we all ignore it. Vitter should keep his seat until hell freezes over, his wife chops something off, God strikes him dead, or the voters have their say! How about that?
Written by bacon
on 7/14/2007
the question about Vitter that I'd like answered? Was the Senator wearing his diapers on Mon. night, when Larry Flynt called him. I certainly hope he was wearing 'em because he surely must have shit himself.
When David Vitter returns to his US Senate position probably on Tuesday as reported in various news sources, he will be under tremendous scrutiny.
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